chur. take the bible, zechariah and elizabeth for instance, he was extremely old to mary elizabeth and they had john the baptist. take joseph and mary. katy wise was able to reach jim over the mark remarks he made. what did he have to say? that s right. over the years of being an investigate reporter i gave him a call about his comments. on the phone with me he shied away from making these biblical references you mentioned. he gave me a vague response saying there are several