jake? of course. yes. kaitlan collins, thanks so much. let s talk about this all with our panel. let s start with kelly. he s been living on borrowed time for a while now, and we keep hearing things about him leaving and then they patch things up. but this sounds really bad. have you ever heard of a you worked at the white house, the obama white house. have you ever heard of a professional work situation where people weren t on speaking terms? no. because even if you hate each other s guts, and there are certainly moments in any white house where the level of stress or the pressure on you leads to that, but you have to keep functioning. and certainly the chief of staff and the president need to have a functioning relationship to run the white house and govern the country. well, i know you worked in congress, and i m sure i was not on speaking terms i m sure. but you weren t all in you all had 435 of you, different agendas. but doesn t that surprise you i can underst
trying to fire robert mueller. it s the same pattern. and go ahead, jeffrey. you know, these facts have become so familiar to us, because, you know, we ve been talking about them for a year now. you know, comey s statement that the president wanted him to go easy on flynn. that he wanted loyalty. you know, we re perhaps inured to it. this is not normal. this is not how the president has historically acted with regard to the fbi. this is inappropriate at a minimum behavior and it is not surprising, and it is entirely correct that the fbi wanted to open an investigation on it. and do you anticipate that the documents we see about michael cohen and about paul manafort, about what cohen is cooperating about, about what manafort lied about, do you anticipate they re going to be full of black marks and redactions because there is going to be so much about president trump in there? i expect there will be a lot of black marks and redactions, because so much relates to, you know
he said there. like, can t really do that. that s against international law. things like that. but tillerson knew what he was doing here, that he s poking the bear. i know the chairs are comfy, but that was clearly not a private conversation with tv s bob schaeffer. right. but listen to this, ryan. tillerson also talking about president trump s governing style. he acts on his instincts, and in some respects, that looks like impulsiveness. but it s not his intent act on impulse. i think he really is trying to act on his instincts. what was challenging for me, coming from the disciplined, highly process oriented exxonmobil corporation to go to work for a man who is pretty undisciplined, doesn t like to read. doesn t read briefing reports. doesn t like to get into the details of a lot of things, but rather just kind of says, look,
consistent with these there s no reason to continue the conversation. and he spoke to mueller. yeah. and that may be part of it. i don t know. but if he s leaving, no, that s not that wouldn t surprise me. jackie, i want to play more of what former secretary of state rex tillerson said about president trump. take a listen. we did not have a common value system. when the president would say, here s what i want to do, and here s how i want to do it. and i would have to say to him, mr. president, i understand what you want to do, but you can t do it that way. it violates the law. it violates a treaty. you know? he got really frustrated. wow. i mean, that s although, when you think of some of the things president trump has said he has said we should be taking iraq s oil. there are a number of things the president has proposed that we know on its face are aggregations of law or treaty. and when tillerson was there, there were reports about him, you know, actually sayin
manafort s legal team about topics that concern both of their clients. and what guiliani told me is based on those conversations, the special counsel doesn t believe manafort s testimony on some issues relating to the president. and guiliani said, based on what he s told, mueller s team doesn t seem to believe that the president was unaware about that infamous 2016 trump tower meeting with the russians promising dirt on hillary clinton at the time. now, guiliani, as part of this conversation, is accusing the special counsel of trying to pressure manafort to say things that he insists just aren t true. i should note that he doesn t know guiliani doesn t know if this is going to be part of the filing at all that we re expecting, that he talked about at the top of the hour. maybe even within the next few minutes from robert mueller s team. dana bash, thank you so much. mueller s crucial filings are expected any moment. pamela brown joins me now. pamela, these memos really could fill i