hutchinson testifying that lead white house counsel pat cipollone warned of legal exposure if trump followed his supporters to the capitol. we re going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we let mat move happen. do you remember what crimes mr. scipollone was concerned about? we had conversations about potentially ubstrucking justice or defrauding the electoral count. hutchinson relaying a second hand account about a defiant trump who wanted to go to the capitol anyway, allegedly even attacking the leader of his secret service detail while in the presidential motorcade. i m the f ing president, take me up to the capitol now. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engle grabbed his arm, said sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we re going back to the west wing. we re not going to the capitol. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle. hutchinson telling the commi
mika, the feds took his phone. that s never good, honestly. he s the architect of the attempted coup and the feds have his phone. you know, we were asking, how could this guy not be in legal trouble? apparently he seems he may be. the battle over abortion hits the states, many are wondering if there s anything the federal government can do to protect services for women and what is the state of women s rights? we ll be talking about all of that. willie is with us. good morning. willie, joe and mika, together again. the team is back. welcome to morning joe. it s tuesday, june 28th. along with joe, willie and me, u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay, and pulitzer-prize winning columnist and associate editor of the washington post eugene robinson. willie, yesterday, i m here working, we re doing a show on i think the most one of the most significant other than bush v. gore, perhaps the most significant case of this supreme court in half a century,
here on msnbc. now it s time for the last word with lawrence o donnell. good evening, lawrence. but evening, rachel. and i m sure you know what my absolute favorite part of your show was tonight. show was tonight no, what was a? i went into the control room to watch the isolated cameron rachel, so that i wouldn t miss a single fraction of a second of rachael blushing while alex wagner was was raising her and thanking her for what she has created here at msnbc. and you think a lot of that shot at home was on alex, so a lot of people couldn t see your blush in part, as much as they deserved to see it. all i could do in that moment, while you are staring at, me because you know me well enough to do that, is like, could i have done this in such a way that i precluded this from happening? could i have spoken the beginning of this interview and this discussion in such a manner, but there s no way that alex could have maneuver this into talking about me? and i just was s
shot at home was on alex, so a lot of people couldn t see your blushing, as much as they deserved to see it. all i could do in that moment, while you are staring at me because you know me well enough to do that, is like, could i have done this in such a way that i precluded this from happening? could i have spoken the beginning of this interview and this discussion in such a manner, that there s no way that alex could maneuver this into talking about me? and i just was sitting there going, do it again, maddow, fix it, go back in time. meanwhile, you had me trapped in your gaze. well, she was in fact speaking for all of us it, since you know, before these this version of me on this network, i, for some years, had the pundit title of a senior political analyst, which i got, i think, because no one knew you could get titles. and i guess, can i get that, and they were like, yeah, sure. so i kind of predated you hanging around here. i was here before you arrived, and i c
let s start with the twice-impeached pathologically duplicitous former president on the truth social platform that his passports were seized by the fbi. there s one caveat to that, nbc has not independently claimed if it is true and it could be a significant detail in what s become a stream of revelations. the washington post out with new details on the early stages of the probe when officials at the national archives suggested that trump had documents in his possession even after they retrieved 15 boxes from mar-a-lago. at first archives officials believed that the fbi wasn t taking the documents issued seriously and they grew frustrated according to people familiar with the document dispute and agents interviewed trump s current and former advisors asking what material was in them and who was responsible for the packing and what might still be at the florida club according to a person who was questioned, quote, they interviewed almost everyone who worked for him, a trump