they ve put forward as an agency, the perception is just that, that it was operating that the whole agency, not just mr. ornato that it had lost the sight of where those boundaries are. i carol knows this, i mean, from my time in public service, i had nothing but affection for the secret service agents who protected the bush family, because being around them, i was protected, too. i cannot imagine them going into the press shop. i cannot fathom any one of them having that job. you re involved in events, in rally planning, in stage, the idea that an agent would take a job like that is galling to me. is there any conversations afoot about reforming the secret service to make sure that doesn t ever happen again? well, certainly as carol pointed out, it s this move was much to the consternation of many within the agency. and let s be clear. most agents simply do their jobs
we also know that members are going to be assigned at least one of the hearing topics to lead that day. and we also know that these hearings will be really multimedia presentations that include a lot of video which some could even include tapes from some of the committee s high profile interviews. we know that two of its most recent high profile interviews with ivanka trump and jared kushner were videotaped. so we could expect to see clips of that next month. but in terms of individuals who could be called as witnesses, the committee is still working to finalize that list. but individuals who have previously spoken with the committee such as people from trump s white house, people close to former vice president mike pence, people who worked under trump in the department of justice, and individuals who were involved in rally planning,
ensnare him as it involves the rally planning ahead of the insurrection. well, there s a couple things. first, it s not just the yes, it s true. it s never it s always just about trump. everything they re doing is a pretext or a convenient tactic to try to serve that strategic interest. it s also a kind of lethal combination of a thing that has nothing to do with trump, which is republicans fixated on voter fraud. it s like the it s like a trope for them, right? they re not concerned about voter fraud for real because there is no demonstrated voter fraud. you re trying to overturn the real results. right, so it s the combination of the trump the servile nature of all the people around trump really just trying to do whatever they can do by any means necessary to help trump, plus the employment of this kind of this fake tactic, but then there s the other thing that s very trumpy about this to me, which is, like, i just think maybe mark meadows, on the basis of what we re
feverishly moving to try to get to public hearings in may and this ruling that we saw from judge carter helped amplify and support the pressure campaign that some lawmakers have been waging against the doj to speed up the work to take a more aggressive posture and keep up their side of the bargain as people basically told them and more or less the words of do your job, as well. i do think the committee also can view this as good news on both fronts from the federal courts and from the doj as we reported a few days ago that the doj is expanding the criminal investigation into rally planning and while they re less aggressive they are moving along. i want to read from your great reporting today where the
rally that preceded the riot as the justice department tries to determine the full extent of any conspiracy to stop congress from certifying the election. in the past two months a federal grand jury has been convened and they ve issued subpoenas to some former officials in trump s orbit, who assisted in the logistics of the rally planning on january 6th. that is with regards to funding, executing and plans the rally, according to people familiar with the matter. i think that this development shows the degree that the justice department has already expanded their investigation from defendants who were actually storming the capitol that day, the insurrectionist far right extremists to people now who were actually involved with getting people there. but this, again, all along is