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the house is well-manicured. minus the fact that there s this yellow crime scene tape up. and then you walk through that and you walk into the doors and the house is in complete disarray. kitchen is completely undone. baseboards missing all over the place. the house is not put together at all. such an odd place. in the garage that doubled as a hangar, investigators found todd s mustang, rachel s suv, a boat, a bmw motorcycle and parts of a plane todd was refurbishing. back inside the house, in the master bedroom, in a night stand, they found something else, too. something quite unexpected. this blue box. inside? ashes. what? at the bottom of the box was a label that simply said, cremated remains of catherine lynn winkler. and now, suddenly, there were two mysteries to solve.
it felt like we were family, felt like we were one one heartbeat. you know, our hearts were intertwined together like i can t describe. indescribable love, never loved someone so intensely in my life. their children were soon in on the secret. katelynn was beguiled by rachel. you could be talking to her, like we re talking, and she would make you feel like the most important human being on this earth. how did that make you feel? special. loved. i could open up to her. if todd suspected anything, he didn t let on. but rachel s dad, don, began to get a queasy feeling during his visits to the airpark. tell me what you thought about him, at the time. he came across as this christian guy. and he you know, he s helping rachel.
if was a kill or be killed situation. eventually todd got to his feet. he prepared a bottle for crying alex, he said. and he worried. and i just started just pacing around the house just saying, god, i just killed their mother. by-and-by, ariel and eva woke up. todd kept them out of the room where their mom lay dead. then, he said, he cleaned up the house as well as he could. and at 10:26 am, 7 hours after rachel died, he phoned a lawyer friend and asked him to inform the authorities. tell me exactly what you heard from your neighbor. what i m willing to tell you is that i m an attorney. i received a call notifying me of the situation. about the same time, 10:30 am, todd took his children to the neighbor s house. i said, there s been i didn t tell them rachel was dead. i said, we have a very serious situation across the street. can you please watch the kids. murder investigations are of course based on more than just witness statements. the csi team rushed ov
i thought i was in trouble. and she leaned over from her chair and she grabbed my hand and says, james, i got something i really need to tell you. i thought i was, like, you re fired. [laughter] no, she said, i ve fallen hopelessly in love with you, and i don t know what to do about it. what was it like to hear that? it was a huge relief. relief? yeah. because? i was already in love with her at the time. i couldn t tell her. i didn t feel that i should tell her. you know, i wouldn t know how she would react. i d rather have her as my friend than have her as nothing at all. so having left artist tim to marry ex-fighter pilot todd, rachel now launched into an affair with ex-marine james. this, by the way, wasn t one of those sneak off into a closet and steal a kiss kind of affairs. with todd living and working in the san francisco bay area during the week james and rachel were together almost constantly. we tried to spend as much as time as possible we could togethe