debby lesco. he didn t do that. he did that. okay, but he dild. here s the white house transcript of the call. he said, the president, i would like you to do us a favor, though, because our country has been through a lot and ukraine knows a lot about it. there s a lot of talk about biden s son, that biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that, so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. if you you can look into that, it sounds horrible to me. there s always been rhetoric and spin in politics, but explain how this is really different? well, i don t think it s all that new. if you read the 19th century
getting him impeached because he was demanding the president of ukraine investigate his political rival. but trump flat out says no, it didn t happen it was a perfect call. and most of the republicans that we heard echo what trump is saying. max, there are people out there in the public who listen to him and listen to the republicans and they go, yeah, read the transcript, there s nothing there. come on, max. you cannot do they actually believe that? they cannot believe that, no? it s really hard to say, don. are they being cynical or are they being credulous? some are being cynical, some are being credulous, but it s an astonishing. to bring you in, let s listen to manu raju. manu raju had an exchange with the republican congresswoman
and trump claims it completely supported him and of course that s the message people on fox news are getting because unlike this network they re not exposed to competing viewpoints and so they actually believe the propaganda they get, and so trump realizes whatever he says doesn t have to any relationship to the truth. his followers will believe it anyway, and his supporters in congress are exacting exactly on that belief. but, max, i m wondering, though, is this more than an attack on the truth? how can our democracy function? how can we have a democracy when we can t even agree on what s real and what s fake? it s a huge assault on the truth, and it sometimes feels, don, like an assault on our very sanity. i mean it really makes you question, you know, what s up and what s down when trump keeps saying read the transcript, it was a perfect call. well, we all read the transcript and we know it wasn t perfect. we all know that was a phone call with zelensky that s
all right, all right, so how can congresswoman lesko say he didn t ask a foreign power to investigate a political rival? i mean, he just asked in front of the cameras on the white house lawn. are we seeing a wholesale rejection of facts here? and also, matt, i understand when people say don t insult the voter. but don t you have to have some tough love and tell people like, hey, you know you re wrong, people are lying to you and you re believing crap that s not real? it s a come to jesus moment we need to have with people. donald trump said it on tv, the white house released a transcript, a quote-unquote transcript showing that he did this. and mick mulvaney, the chief of staff, admitted it on tv. get over it. and still people have the