as you saw specifically in the hearings we had, in the hearing where she was solo, she was able to give us a lot of insight that people like steve bannon could have, people that wouldn t come and talk to us, mark meadows, that doj goes after. so cassidy hutchinson will go down historically as the most important person in this. let me make a broader point, whether it s her or people like alyssa farah, i ll even say my wife who worked in the administration for a while, these republican women that worked for donald trump, each one of them have more courage than every man that works for donald trump combined. these men that worked for trump, a few exceptions are unwilling to speak out. if they speak out, it s nuanced, right, doesn t want to tick anybody off. these women are the ones that have come forward and said, you know, there s a line we can t cross here, so that s been an amazing kind of eye opening thing for me is how courageous
working through that, and we ll come forward with whatever that takes. it s important to be noted, other presidents have come before congressional committees before, so donald trump said he would be happy to come in. come in. tell us what you think. what is the new evidence that s been developed in the secret service, the committee in its final public hearing seemed to accuse two members of the secret service of lying. have those lies been cleared up? any referrals for them under consideration? again, i don t want to get out in front of what the committee is about to announce or going to announce or not announce because we re putting all of this stuff together. i will tell you, the interesting thing is even as we re putting together our report, parts of the report, everything else. we re continuing this investigative line. i listened in on a deposition even today. there are somebody lying at the secret service. let s be very clear.
do us harm, and it actually doesn t even take complicity on the part of the actor in order to provide the opening for that damage, and so when i say this problem of lack of understanding is especially difficult, it s because you have to be vigilant, and i don t think that s a word that we would have ascribed to him from a security perspective. vigilant, not a word sue gordon would ascribe to donald trump when it comes to handling classified documents, the understatement of the century. coming up, my conversation with one of the key members of the january 6th select committee, congressman adam kinzinger, what lies ahead for kevin mccarthy, and what the january 6th select committee still has up its sleeve. don t go anywhere. committee still has up its sleeve. don t go anywhere.
the front lines in defending democracy in 2024. every candidate i endorsed won. i think only one of donald trump s he endorsed won. we worked on the madison cawthorn race and other races in convincing democrats, you live in a republican district. if it s ruby red, you should vote in the republican primary and vote at least for somebody that believes in democracy, and you turned out 4 or 5,000 people this that race. that s how we have to think, nicolle, what are the areas we can target that will make a rifle shot difference. it s clear that trump crossed lines for you and liz cheney. for me he crossed those lines way before he ever became president, but i was always happy to see more members of my old party feel that he had crossed those lines and fight vigorously alongside democrats
wonder your perspective, having served in the military, he left his men on the field. they are all men in his case, and i ve never seen that before. he left his most senior staff, you know, to their own devices with the committee, and he doesn t show up. how do you evaluate that? i mean, look, i think donald trump is scared to death of frankly what we re doing, what doj is doing. i think, you know, with vice president pence, i think he looked at this and said, well, i can kind of walk the nuance of i m not really, you know, the people that are anti-trump, wink and nod, remind them of january 6th, i m not going to come in and speak to the committee. my people can. so i m sure everything that, you know, the vice president knows we now know because it came through his folks, but he obviously wants to run for president, and nicolle, here s the interesting thing for me. if he would have fully divorced