think i m quoting pretty much more or less a hollow man. you re not sure what at the center of him. as a progressive democrat, i m disturbed and perplexed that he has changed so dramatically over the last 15 years. we look at his record back in illinois in the 1990s up to 2002, you would think we knew who he was. but he has turned out to be a different person then we would have projected. tucker: do you think he s a good person? he was certainly a very good person from 1985 till 2002. but the desire to succeed, the desire to win, the need to become president changed him. fundamentally changed him, and that to me is a fundamentally sad story.
tucker: doubling a penny every day for a month. exactly.p it s like that one grain, two grains, four grains on a chessboard and you end up with all the grain in the world. tucker: everything you ve said sounds reasonable, and i want to believe it because i love the country and i know good people working for the government. but i also know people who work in the congress who say it s supposed to be overseeing nsa, providing oversight, and we s can t get information that we request from nsa. they just don t send it to us. is there actual oversight? that does not sound right, at least as far as the intelligence committee is going. tucker: i ve heard this from two different members of the intelligence committees within the last two months. i m not aware of any reason why nsa would not provide r anything that their overseers ask for. the entire culture of the national security agency is focused on obeying the law, compliance with the law, and i remember walking through with the
i think the problem with this ad campaign is whoever came up with this really does not understandh the link between psychobiological and psychological factors in obesity. for example, if you have an obese mother, you re much more likely to become obese.n if you grew up in a poor neighborhood, you don t haveuc access to fruits and vegetables or good nutrition. let s say you have a more sedentary lifestyle, or in my field, because i m a psychoanalyst, let s say you re a victim of childhood trauma, childhood sexual abuse and because of that, you unconsciously walk around in a fat suit because you feel that that s the only way you can avoid being sexually abused, the object of sexual intention. tucker: you re getting too deep for me, i may drown here. again, i m not attacking fat people. i think the reason they put those ads up is that fat people, like cigarette smokers, are unpopular and unfashionable
ideological diversity and diversity of perspective. lack of diversity of experience. tucker: those are all real arguments, the race part is grotesque. it s not. race is a part of diversity.s, ideological, gender diversity. diversity of perspective and diversity of experience, and you have to take that diversity of experience into account when making a policy as important as health care. tucker: what concerns me here is we re opening up a can ofo worms, and i get part of what you re saying, but you think diversity in perspective and background and opinion is really important. i believe that and the companies i ve run that way. but i also think that if you re creating a rhetorical dynamic t where it s okay to attack people because of their skin color which is exactly when debbie dingell was doing, it s exactly what she was doing. she said white boys. that s a bad statement. that s a statement that someone of her stature and someone that has been in the game as long as she has sho
in the white house, the one we see nowadays is a fundamentally different person from who he was in the 1990s. and it s that intellectual and political evolution that is what this book really discovers and captures. tucker: so i know you re a man of the left, and i ve always thought of you that way, and with that in mind, i was struck by the epilogue to the book, the 40 or 60 pages at the end where you sum up what you ve learned about president obama, and i think it s fair to call it very negative, very tough on him. are those judgments that you made after collecting all the evidence, and were you surprised to read that conclusion? i was surprised at how the obama presidency turned out, and it is a critical epilogue from the perspective of a progressive democrat. when barack was in illinois,