debt process, it s multi-pronged. we have to deal with the cost of college. we have to take care of having a debt-free college system, doubling, tripling, quadrupling pell grants. i live in california where we had education was free under the clark curve master plan. this is not a new idea. this is an idea this is something that we need to go back to in our country, not, you know, it s both it s incredibly progressive. well, natalia, thank you for joining us. i think it s really important that people know about all of these programs out there that can help you offer time or throughout the time that you re paying back your loans. when i first started in journalism making $26,500 a year with law school loans, i used one of these payment programs, it really helped me during that time to start in journalism. otherwise, wouldn t have been an option with those student loans. thank you so much for helping to educate people about their options. thank you, paula. and coming up, amid a