and the it echoes things from the other side of the while. if you take putin out of the situation, it could end up worse. that you can end up with someone worse than putin. what do you make of that logic? does it work for you? i think that s an excuse for us not to keep engaging in ukraine. you can really get someone worse a remainer in crew yan, and civilians who was trying to assassinate people in the united kingdom who violated national laws inviding if and the way that you contained slaush is making sure that russia knows they will bauls met we quaul redistance and they have to
they will do whatever we tell them. it s not something that they drup on their own. everyone is scratching their heads, and putin should have seen this coming much more, and he has much more responsibility for this than prigozhin does. prigozhin is a bold guy. putin should have seen it coming literally months ago. we ll see how it ends up. i don t think the story is over yet. i suspect you re right about that. and general, i keep thinking about the images we were showing when nic robertson was reporting that prigozhin loves the adulation and the cheers, and he was getting it. it s extraordinary to see it take place in putin s russia. and when putin described the march as an up rising and wagner s actions as a stab in the back of our country and our people. how do we get to that prigozhin
until when? and i think that putin has has shown real clay feet, not just now, not just in the last 36 hours but all the way back to the war, the beginning of the war, almost a year and a half ago. so i think that that the threat these are veteran power brokers, in the security surface. putin last year and others, savaged publicly, the head of the cia equivalent, and then the military. the military has been abused by prigozhin and others. putin has been careful about that, but the military has got to be there has to be fury there too, and how long does loyalty work? especially when your leader has gone wobbly and taking the country potentially down a dark space and you re going with it, if it continues this way.
deal. i don t know will happen to bella ruz. i would avoid bull buildings if i were him. putin is weaker than he has been in the past, and crukraine, a really good example of what happens when a couple is invaded and they took together a fought. slaush had an insurrection and basically nobody fought for putin. how do you think ukraine should respond? should it be taken as a funt for the ukrainians? well, i think the ukrainians should take every opportunity to actually push forward and try to get as many gains back. what it tells us, americans should not stop parting ukraine. the plan has been to stop the united states and the west, and
disturbing events in the last 24 hours. does it make putin more desperate? does he feel like he has to flex his muscles? what does it mean for the americans? well, that is the question. it absolutely, jim, that s why we have to stay very focused and be shrewd watching and negotiates. it s essential. i hope it will be an opportunity, and one never knows with someone like with putin, one never knows. but it s very concerning for me. i m very concerned. oifk of course, and i guess you are just mentioning the flip side after this, because if it does mean that perhaps we re