involved in this. congress has to engage in oversight now as opposed to worrying about the future. and barbara, it s hard to do that when the trump administration has essentially declared that it doesn t have to follow subpoenas, it doesn t have to follow the law to hand over this whistle-blower complaint, it cannot be even investigated by anyone, including criminally or by congress, and they re willing to go to the mat, and now they ve stacked the supreme court in such a way that maybe they could prevail on saying that the president is essentially that he cannot be overseen by the article one power. so, what then is left for the house to be able to do if they don t impeach him? one of the things that the framers absolutely envisioned was the idea that we needed checks on each branch of government, and each was to serve as a check on the other. i think that, eventually, if president trump is too aggressive in stone-walling congress and the courts from scrutinizing his behavior, h
he sent the military to the southern border of the united states to protect the united states from a caravan of refugees who were, you know, victims of the unrest in central america, who posed literally no national security threat. so we know that trump is willing to use the military as a prop to try to influence voters. he did it in 2018, and god only knows what he ll do in 2020. so you need to do impeachment now to prevent even worse behavior than what we are seeing already, which is obviously pretty terrible. all right, we re going to end this here, but jill, i need to know what your pen is. it s a whistle, which is both for in honor of the whistle-blow whistle-blower, but it s also a whistle to alert america to take some action now and congress to take some action. all right. barbara mcquade, timothy o brien, tara, jeff hauser, jill wine-banks will be back. thank you all. next up, what we ve learned
it s good to talk to you again. let s start with the time line on what we know happened between donald trump and ukraine. there s this phone call between trump and the ukranian president. dan coats announces his resignation. dni coats interrupts a meeting on august 8th to tell the deputy dni gordon that she should resign. deputy dni gordon does resign the next day. an august 12th this whistle blower complaint gets filed. then in late august donald trump with holds this ukraine military aid that s intended to protect them from russia. the house then launches an investigation into that and suddenly three days after that the hold on ukraine aid is lifted. what do you make of this whole series of events? and keeping if mind that this whis blower is a unknown person but this is what the media is putting together about what this complaint is about. reporter: i have to you this
timeline. this july 25th phone call between trump and the ukranian president that is what perhaps what triggered the whistleblower complaint. then you go on. you have coats resigning. we just heard that was alarming. that raised alarms among intelligence professionals. then the deputy dni told to resign, she does resign. then the whistleblower complaint filed on august 12th. then you have trump with holding that aid in late august but ukraine may not have even known about it. then this investigation is launched in september and then you have the hold lifted with mitch mcconnell just now on this past thursday changing his mind and backing 250 million sorry. that s separate from that. sorry about that. so you have the hold lifted on september 12th. let me go to you on this very quickly, joyce, because here s the question for mike pence. mike pence has been sort of severed from all of the other questions that are relating to
the ties could then be relaxed. as we know vladimir putin is in the president s ear a lot more often than we are, you know, ever public aaware of. sometimes we get readouts of phone calls with the president and putin days after the russians have already issued their version of the readout. so i think i s definitely possible that we are seeing the influence here of putin on trump yet again combined with trump s already, you know, already ingrained hatred of the ukranian and their alleged help to hillary clinton in 2016. i think it s a recipe for disaster. thank you very much. always gad to talk to you. thank you. the state of new york is going after donald trump s taxes. we ll tell you about that next. t