weaponry we win. but weaponry and technology to not win wars. strategy does. at the moment we don t have one. what strategy do you think we should have? you ve got this incredible bravery and spirit of the ukrainian people. we have billions of dollars of armament still flowing in. should there have been more done? what can the west do to push putin back? first ukrainians are heroes. they have been fighting valiantly. we want to really honor the lives of those people by taking as i said earlier, pulled into the international tribunal. yes. but unfortunately we missed the window of opportunity to develop a viable counter strategy to putin s asymmetric strategy. ancient chinese military strategy said the best way to win the war is without firing a shot.
first of all, oversight is appropriate and if we re going to put billions of dollars in, we want to make sure that the biden administration is doing what they say they re going to do with the money. we want to make sure that it gets into the hands of the ukrainians and it goes to the right places. we think the american people expect that of their government. the second piece is, we re all supporting the vast majority of us are supporting ukraine, and we would rather have ukraine doing the battling on their ground, pushing putin back, making putin expend his resources rather than us having american troops there, we don t intend to have american troops there, but we do want the ukrainians to have the tools they need to defend their homeland and push putin out. when doing that, that weakens putin. there s a lot of us who question whether putin can push this on economically in the next six months. he s running out of ammo and faith back home. in the middle of winter if the
nuclear weapon because he s losing something he never should have started in the first place. right on. right, right. you were defense secretary. you know what these kinds of back channel talks were like. is there anything the u.s. can do or say, frankly, that will pull putin back? i don t think it s as much the united states as it is the rest of the world. this past week or so we ve had the chinese who have had this new special relationship with russia say they do not support anyone conducting warfare in another country using force to extend their boundaries. you had india also a major partner but at least an affiliation over the years with russia to buy much of their equipment from russia and a lot of their oil from russia saying that they were worried about what was russia was doing and very concerned about it. so two very powerful countries have now come out indicating putin is making in essence a mistake. i think that plus the united states and nato staying
right. right. you were defense secretary. you know what these types of back channel talks are like. is there anything the u.s. can do or say to pull putin back? i don t think as much the united states as the rest of the world. this past week or so, we ve had the chinese who have had this new special relationship with russia saying they do not support anyone conducting warfare in the another country using force to extend their boundaries. you had india also a major not partner but at least affiliation over the years with russia to buy much of their equipment from russia and a lot of their oil from russia. so saying they re worried about what rush wassia was doing and concerned about it and now coming out saying putin was making a mistake. i think that plus the united states and nato staying together.
they want to fight for their country and right now they are pushing putin back. putin is not giving up. if he is moving his forces to the east. carrying out brutal attacks over there. we need to get more i d. in military aid and humanitarian aid and, again, i point to the town of mariupol as putin is surrounding it and committing atrocities all around. we need to help them right now. no more excuses about whether or not putin would be offended, those are the things you hear from the biden administration. we just need to get the help and other countries like poland stepping up. other european countries are stepping up. we need to be doing more. brian: with more lethal aid. let s talk about domestic politics if we can former president of the united states weighing in on a lot of primaries, including one pat toomey seat in pennsylvania. over the weekend he came out and made it clear dr. oz is his pick. not dave mccormick who hope hicks and people like kellyanne conway were hoping he wou