huge delay. this committee is a little bit stalled in lots of ways. its energy is high, but its access to information at the moment is a little low and remember, we have elections coming where the decision makers for the house may change and may no longer be democrats deciding and respect reps can maintain control of the house and this committee as some republicans are promising will be put on ice and set out to sea. carol, good to see you this morning. thank you for joining us. carol lenning is a washington post investigative reporter author of the book a very stable genius, zero fail, and i alone can fix it. joining me is the author of the newsletter lucid threats of democrats about the democracies in decline and author of the
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be put on ice. it would not come through until he did what trump needed to make sure he was well positioned against biden in his reelection effort in 2020. in making this sort of extortionate play against ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky, trump also refused to grant zelensky something he was desperately seeking at the time which was a meeting at the white house. obviously, ukraine was at war with russia, both then and now. it was desperately important to ukraine not only that they get u.s. aid but that the whole world could see that the united states of america was on ukraine s side and standing with ukraine in their conflict with russia. trump held all that back and said no, no, no. not unless you help me in my domestic reelection campaign by smearing joe biden. that call happened between
trump said that, you know, unless and until he did that, congressionally approved u.s. military aid to ukraine would be put on ice. it would not come through until zelensky did what trump needed in 2020. in making this extortionate play against the ukrainian president, vladimir zelensky, trump refused to grant him something he was desperately seeking at the time, which was a meeting at the white house. obviously ukraine was at war with russia, both then and now. it was desperately important to ukraine they get u.s. aid and the whole world could see that the united states of america was on ukraine s side and standing with ukraine in their conflict with russia, trump held all that back and said, no, no, no, not unless you help me in my domestic re-election campaign by
minute. gordon sondland, the u.s. ambassador, has high interest because of the role that he played, and what we ve seen already in his opening statement which we revealed earlier that he was concerned that the president put on ice efforts to strengthen the relationship with ukraine with a meeting between president trump and the president of ukraine, and the president asked the u.s. officials to talk and deal with rudy giuliani s efforts. he learned later that rudy giuliani was pushing these investigations that could help the president politically. the question for gordon sondland, though, john, going forward and whether or not his testimony is consistent with what others have testified to. others have said gordon sondland s interaction, for instance, with the president were much more significant than he said, at least in his opening statement, including an interaction which the president apparently sold sotold sondland needed the ukranians to perform
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