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you guys do what we call a through cut and you get a lot of light coming through, strong illustration with the pictures. you will do a full one. or a partial cut. carley: we are going to do a pumpkin carve up between these gentlemen and see who could do a better job. we will feel like a little more methodical, triangle shape. if something goes wrong we might do that. rob is going a little faster. i am going to stay over here because you are scaring me.