with is $4.5 trillion of debt. juan: erica, without a doubt, if you are asking the american public steve is right. spending not popular. i want to ask you about stimulus spending because i know you are a big fan of additional spending at this point. but, steve makes a point wait a second nkt should would he be giving people not to work? that s a tough sell to the personal people at this point. oh, yeah, give people to know who don t have a job and keep giving it to them so they don t work. that s the wrong incentive, isn t it. i think if people are not working because they are hanging out living on the dole i think he makes a great point. structural unemployment problem as a society we need to have compassion as a people and understand the mistakes that we have made. we actually have a close unemployment rate closer to about 18% so. when you are looking. juan: 18% if you include people who have given up for work. looking at 18% unemployment,