but then they give everybody the password. people were able to get it from all over the country. so we did see, allegedly, criminal conspiracy about multiple states. the question is whether or not that public reporting is sum total of what they ve got here, or whether this goes further. and we also know, and this is a data point that maybe this case ties together, trump drafts an executive order to seize those voting machines, ostensibly predicated on this, stolen data from inside the machine distributed to other states. yeah and so go ahead, chris. i just wanted to say that one of the things i think, as you read from the indictment, it is satisfying out of basic intuitive and conceptual level about the rico framework for it. once you say, look, there s a bunch of people who have a goal, which is fundamentally a criminal corrupt and unlawful goal which is overturning an election, which okay, we ve all watched this and have been reporting on. and each act in furtherance
question, one thing people should just keep in mind based on public reporting, going back for years now, is that a real bone of contention between a rudy giuliani and people in trump s orbit, was the fact that rudy giuliani actually hardly got paid during that window of time. giuliani and his allies were pushing trump, in the month or two after biden s inauguration, to help pay giuliani for what he had done, and to pay for the exploding legal bills that giuliani was facing. so, an outstanding question is not just, we re the save america pact fundraisers deliberately lying potentially committing law fraud, in raising money for that entity. but also, when they claimed that they were going to use that money, the money people gave very generously, these trump small dollar donations gave in that window. when they said they re going to use that money to contest the election, what do they actually do with it, and what does that
what we also know, based on the conversation that i had today with bernie kerik s lawyer, who was in the room with the special counsel s team for the interview that bernie kerik held with them earlier this week, is that jack smith s prosecutors were very interested in save america, interested in who was making decisions about fund raising and also, interested in who was making decisions about how the money that the pack may raised was spent. when it comes to this fraud question, one thing people should just keep in mind based on public reporting, going back for years now, is that a real bone of contention between a rudy giuliani and people in trump s orbit, was the fact that rudy giuliani actually hardly got paid during that window of time. giuliani and his allies were pushing trump, in the month or two after biden s inauguration, to help pay giuliani for what he had done, and to pay for the exploding legal bills that giuliani was facing.
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