seen that before when he hasn t had the talking stick. what can you tell us about jack smith s physicality or the presence that he had in that courtroom? reporter: that was interesting. i ve spent a lot of time around donald trump, this was my first time in a room with jack smith. he is wiry, he was sort of loose, he was talking with a younger attorney next to him who i frankly didn t recognize off and on throughout the course of it. he got a significant security presence around him by the way. i would say it s very clear that the u.s. marshals, federal authorities are taking his security quite seriously. at the end of the hearing after donald trump and his attorneys left smith came up to the prosecutors table, was sitting out in the audience with us for the duration of the hearing but at the end came up to the prosecutors table, put his arm around david harbach who is the lead prosecutor for the special counsel s office in this case and patted him congenially on the shoulder and the