assistance to president george w. bush, and also author of the truth about trump . michael, do you think trump thought about whether his conversations with cohen were recorded? well, i think he was glad for many, many years that michael cohen did record his conversations with viarious people around the country. he was doing the president or then business mogul trump s bidding each day, and i think that they enjoyed listening to his performances. you know, i was on the receiving end of one of those calls, and he tried to beat me up for about ten minutes. then we wound up laughing about what he wanted to get me to do. so i was certain then that i was being recorded, and that donald trump was going to hear it. i think now as he contemplates what might be in various prosecuter s possession, the president is probably quite nervous that there are
with the grand jury, the fbi, and richard chenny risked his personal capital trying to get him to pardon him even in the final hours of the bush administration. to do it now for president trump is a way to get us talking about the special prosecuter idea, also a way to shore up conservatives and it s the recent influence of others, two lawyers, two have been outspoken in the treump era, have long ben believers that trump deserved a pardon. thank you. think about this for a second. president trump has few kind words for george w. bush. it had been reported when he found out after kiersten nielsen was made dhs secretary, he couldn t stand that she was part of the bush administration. now he s here potentially pardoning someone from that era. what do you think of it? i think the bigger story is
joining me now a reporter tom winter and former democratic congresswoman from new york that voted to impeach president nixon, liz holtsman. how did this come to pass? there may be viewers unclear about what this has to do with robert mueller s investigation. the way we understand it based on people we ve talked to is this case, and if it s the heart of the search we ve been told has to do with a possible payment to stormy daniels. so the bulk of this case is obviously that s outside the per view of robert mueller s office which is to look into russian interference in the election and anything tied to. we understand this was a coordinated effort. this is the second known instance where mueller s office said to a federal prosecuter s office in manhattan because that s where mr. cohen s business is and his home.
also a republican if that matters, found that no reasonable prosecuter would bring charges against hillary clinton in that case. joining me now is jeff bennett, live at the white house. jeff? reporter: i think there s one thing in particular about the white house response so far that is notable. given that the president yesterday would not rule out getting rid of robert mueller. in the past the white house has been quick to dismiss any talk of firing mueller. they usually put out statements saying that out of respect for the special counsel s work, it pledges its full cooperation and doesn t respond. this time, sanders says the president s comments stand on their own. keep in mind the state of play here. it s important. president trump s lawyer being raided by the fbi. his former national security adviser, michael flynn, pleaded guilty. paul manafort, the former campaign chairman has now been indicted. jared kushner, the president s
lie? this is ridiculous. i mean, the assumption that everyone is making is he cannot possibly answer questions before a grand jury, or before the prosecuters, and not get himself in trouble for perjury. that is a scary fact to me, that he cannot be trusted to tell the truth. and you re right. we ve seen a lot of examples of that, but i think he should know that this is not a civil case, and this is not lying to the public. this is lying under oath. or lying to a prosecuter which has the same penalties as lying under oath. a really important point. frank, if you are a member of the mueller team, and you see this guy for terms of this discussion, this client, in his public utterances, anxious, willing to come in and talk, then you see counsel say, you