forward can join nato at all. paula. yeah, sam. i m sure ukraine will continue to ask for more military help and others as this goes forward in the coming weeks. sam kiley for us. professor robert english is the director of european studies at the university of southern california. earlier, i asked him what he thinks about the allegations of what sam was talking about there, those russian so-called false flag attacks. take a listen. i think there s a bit of a propaganda game going on, on both sides. i have no doubt that russia has operatives in ukraine, they ve had for some time. it seems kind of amateurish, imagine at the same time they re trying to secretly prepare a pretext for invasion they re hacking ukrainian websites and announcing they re coming. that s not consistent. for the russian part, they re accusing us of producing weapons and producing a genocide.
especially given whether or not this intelligence is actually credible? yeah, i think there s a bit of a propaganda game going on both sides. i have no doubt that russia has operatives in ukraine, that they ve had for some time. it s seeming amateurish, imagine, they re hacking websites and announcing they re coming. that s not consistent. and for the most part, they re accusing us of preparing chemical weapons and a genocide. i m a little skeptical for both sides, for both, it s part of a war ratcheting up at this moment. you unfortunately, it s 2022, and i m hold enough to resonate with the 1980s. there you go. you want to talk about the wider problem here. you do not think that russia will invade ukraine. why not?
they were the little pushback would be for right now. and it could reverse the situation and cause vladimir putin to have credibility which he is most afraid of. he doesn t care with the rest of the world things that he loses international propaganda game. leaders care about domestic propaganda and the russian people do not like this. they see it for what it is. social media has changed quite a bit for the better in this case everybody can see what putin my - putin is inflicting on the american people. brian: they do have social media to a degree but i know you know this but don t use the word more. don t even mention the conflict. when it comes to the central bank they are rushing rubles to the bank so when these men and women who have the same goals and aspirations of security that we do go to get money out of the bank fly for
support to create the narrative to sure up support. we know there have been widespread protests across russia. it widespread protests across russia. it doesn t widespread protests across russia. it doesn t necessarily mean that it is true it doesn t necessarily mean that it is true he it doesn t necessarily mean that it is true. he plays the propaganda game is true. he plays the propaganda game very is true. he plays the propaganda game very competently, and we know russia game very competently, and we know russia has game very competently, and we know russia has worked very effectively to build russia has worked very effectively to build this information across europe to build this information across europe. leveraging our social media, and that s europe. leveraging our social media, and that s an europe. leveraging our social media, and that s an entirely durable it strategy and that s an entirely durable it strategy deliberate strategy. but strategy delibe
propping up identity politics? if you had the real information, identity politics would collapse. charlie: that s the propaganda game going on. it s true, americans are bad at math. for myself, i cannot balance the checkbook. the silver lining is americans are bad at demographics. that s not the way they look at one another. they look at one another is doing the same thing. we don t look at people based on demographics. the only people that do are the media, and they can t stop. one thing makes me wonder about some of the numbers. they said 88% of americans own a car, but only 83% have a driver s license, so 5% of people own a car but don t have a driver s license. i was that person for a while. going rogue.