fossil fuels to clean energy. it would clean the air by 50% a a according to the plan. joe manchin s opposition to this program isn t that surprising, but a spokesman for the new york times says, senator manchin has clearly used his concerns to pay for doing things they re already doing. regardless of the reason, manchin s position is bound to create new headaches for the administration as democrats work to finalize this spending package. joining me now is yamiche alcindor. thank you for coming on. it s a pleasure to be with you.
that senator manchin, obviously, has a very big role to play on this, and so we re continuing to push for the strongest possible climate protections that will allow us to bring down carbon emissions. and we re open to that negotiation as long as we have strong climate protections that bring down carbon emissions. the clean energy program in question aims to replace many of the nation s coal and gas-fired power plants with wind, solar. manchin argues the program isn t needed because his state is already moving towards clean energy. but two west virginia climate experts i just spoke to today said that it s not moving fast enough there. one of them says west virginia has only gone from 95% to 91% coal-fired electricity in the
going to have to be cut to your point about doesn t add up. there s going to be necessarily parts in there build back better that have to be cut. we can start reducing the years from ten to whatever to make it work. the president made it clear neil: that wouldn t make it work, right? if you were astute enough to say it s hard for any member of congress to remove a popular program to make a three-year program a four-year program, doesn t mean that that program isn t going to be on the books for many years to come, right? that is true. but in terms of this congress, i think the intentionality is that it would be a ten-year deal or something shorter. neil: the progressives don t want to go that far. as you know, congressman, they said yeah, we ll cut a little. we re not going to the degree
trillion in spending, leaves $1.5 trillion gap. the president likes to argue this spread out over ten years triggers economic growth that pays it out. it would be a first for any federal program to do that. the battle back and forth on this as to whether they can come up with a more presentable or certainly acceptable figure to moderates from the 3.5 trillion number we re hearing right now and a guy they have to con convenience is my next guest, emanuel clever from missouri, house committee on finance services member. congressman, he says this is fully paid for. we don t even know what is in it yet to judge whether it s paid or not. furthermore, if it s $3.5 trillion figure, the build back better plan, not the bipartisan infrastructure plan, he s wrong.
landlords are, you know, they re all slum lords, it s all jared kushner in baltimore. 41% of these rental units across the country, they re owned by individuals, not owned by big companies or big corporations. and this hurts them, too, i guess, right? because you re not allowing not no but the program isn t allowed to work so they re not getting the money. right. it is the small mom and pops, the real estate owners who are the ones who are really not getting the money right now. it s a moratorium so that people can t get evicted but it s also paying the people who are owed that rent so that they don t go under. i hear from small mom and pop shops that they own maybe two, three apartments, that s their income, their supplemental income, and they re in trouble. it s hurting kind of everyone from the renter to the landlord to everyone in between. i want to ask you about voting rights legislation, which is important to you. there are two big democratic bills in the mix.