we are bankrupting this nation, and for us, that s certainly what we ought to use that moment for, to establish that hard spending cap. once we ve done that, then congress is going to be forced to prioritize spending, and that s when the real games begin. jenna: so the house has been talking about rolling back discretionary spending to levels of 2008, and maybe even lower than that. can we use that same model when we talk about cutting spending for entitlements, can we say we ll roll back entitlement spend to go a certain year or time period? first of all what i d like to do is put entitlements back on the budget so that congress really takes responsibility, having to review those programs every year in terms of what can we afford within the overall budgetary process. that would be my process solution there. jenna: just picking up a little more on that, again, we re hearing about this term about investment from the white house. investing versus spending, versus stimulus. and we re go