scores on the bill from the congressional budget office are not expected to be out today. if that is the case, can your hearings go ahead? well, yeah. that kind of gets to the heart of the matter here. what the budget committee s doing today is essentially a shell game, and we re just basically kicking the ball down the field so that the rules committee can take up and basically avoid the regular order or process congress normally takes to pass a very complicated bill like this. jon: well, your committee is meeting about this sort of complicated and controversial, in this case, process called reconciliation, right? can you explain that? right. this is the process that gets us started so that the bill can pass the house and then go back over to the senate and pass with 51 votes. this is unprecedented in the history. and to think that this bill doesn t score, doesn t cost, we have no idea because we don t know what the bill is. jon: you say it s unprecedented,