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face-to-face meeting between the murder middleman and the suspected mastermind, lynn s husband, fred. except fred was late. had he finally realized they were laying a trap? 7:30, 7:33, 7:35. nothing. if he didn t show this would all fall apart. then a signal from the surveillance van. there he was. they saw him outside casing the place he was already really paranoid about being setup. clearly. came in with his notepad. hey, old man. how you feeling? now all eyes were on frank and fred. and they both at this point look like they d been rode hard and put away wet.
so just as the cops had been hoping fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. we had like 60 plus phone conversations between them. and you re tapping them all. and we re tapping them all. but they just didn t slip-up. so it was time, the detchbs decided to launch the under cover squad led by chris nelson. nick harvey told the homicide guys what s up, nick told me. so now if you re frank and fred, your biggest concern is that nick s caught. of course. and you want to make sure he s not going to say anything. first detective nelson decided he d go for broke by phoning fred shockner himself and claiming to be the hired killer, nick harvey. so how did you go about doing this? i used one of inmate phones
he said he wouldn t have done it had shockner not threatened his wife and his in-laws. he did it out of fear then? literally he said on the stand he had sacrificed his life for his family when we all know he had sacrificed lynn shockner s life for his pocketbook. but that was his defense. that was his defense. the verdict guilty of first degree murder, and now it was fred s turn. and the man had aged at least ten years. he looked so frail. but this wasn t over just yet. when fred shockner took the witness stand he told the jury he could explain everything. do tell. coming up he was very defiant and completely maintained his innocence. will a jury believe him? i had a moment of just
want to get them to communicate. but wasn t going to happen bo the look of it even though they kept talking to fred. playing dumb of course but hoping he d o panic and call el cabano. to the point we were calling him every day but trying to give a reason so he wouldn t become more suspicious than what he was. just one more question, sir. n, exactly. this was a game of course but deadly consequences. death also has a way of bringing people together. lynn was a private woman, had very few friends beyond her son, charlie. and yes. we had a big service for her. it was amazing how many people came out. it was nice. i just remember how i at that point i couldn t even cry. it was just still still depressed and shocked.