point that the president is both talking about policing on one end, but then also criminal justice reform and even recidivism on the back end. gene, back to you for a quick second. part of what the president did back in chicago was also to make an argument that gun reform, reform about gun control, ought to be an argument that police should be out in front of. i m wondering how you see even that policy as linked in to this broader conversation we re having? totally. what we see in new york and where there are zones of tension is because the police stepped in in the vacuum because you had gun violence and the police became the default setting so they were doing these stops which are very inefficient. it is worth saying that in chicago the police chiefs in the country deserve a shout-out for coming forward and saying, we are going to advocate for criminal justice reform, also. that s going to help make this be nonpartisan. we got to take over our ideological prism detector, try to put