time when prosecutors for jack smith were really, really active in interviewing witnesses around trump s mindset, appeared to be trying to get at just that. they were trying to determine whether trump knowingly based his actions on a lie in claiming widespread fraud that impacted the outcome of the november 2020 election. now, as we understand it, kushner has insisted that it was his impression that trump genuinely believed the election was stolen, according to a person familiar with what took place. this is a line of questioning the prosecutors have asked several witnesses, who are trying to figure out as they try to figure out exactly what trump s intent was because one of the things necessary depending on the charges the prosecutors might bring would be to establish corrupt intent. maggie, how does this information fit into the larger investigation by jack smith, the special counsel, into the efforts of trump and others to overturn the free and fair 2020 election? a