cooperating. records from the vice president and his des are due to be turned over in about a month. pence himself is considering a 2024 bid that he seems to be worried about upsetting the trump base too much there. whopence s orbit might help? you covered these people more than i did during that period, so you know how important they are to filling in the blanks of the story. mike pence was the target of the pressure team being run by the outside legal team and the former president to get him to block the certification of electoral votes or send it back to the state legislatures, but his counsel, brad jacobs and mark short, his former chief of staff, participated and cooperated with committee. they re turning over records. we reported last month mike pence does not want to himself appear before the committee. i think he realizes it is a double-edged sword for him.