president moise had in a sense turned a blind eye to the realities of gang violence in your country, and that in some ways it seems he had offered tacit protection to one of the most dangerous alleged gang leaders in your country, a man who goes by the nickname barbecue. listen. is that true? what i can tell you is that since he took office as president, he was victim of what they call character assassination, first, and then doing four years, and then they kill him physically. so i m aware of those things, but i do know that that was part of the whole character assassination. but just answer the specific question. we have this gentleman, jimmy cherizier. there was no link whatsoever. ..known as barbecue. now, the man is known.
the guy in charge of killing president.or the operation of killing president moise. you and i must be very careful when we discuss this. this is an ongoing investigation. the gentleman that you just referred to, mr badio, who you say was at the centre of this assassination plan, well, he s gone missing. nobody knows where he is, and nobody knows what his attitude is to the charge that you ve just laid at his door. someone knows. someone knows, actually. he spoke two times in the morning, july 7th, with the prime minister. but again, the prime minister, mr henry, says he has no recollection of those conversations. i understand this is perhaps a very bad way to defend himself. correct? well, you re not an investigator yourself, mrjoseph, and it may be that some people looking at this interview will think, ah, well, there s a guy, there s a politician who is bitter and resentful, because you, when president moise was killed, you were in position as acting prime minister. yes. but withi
government as foreign minister, then briefly acting prime minister under president moise, according to a harvard law school report, killing with impunity by violent gangs in your country increased and your government, your government failed to hold the perpetrators to account. now, why is that? so, what i can tell you is that presidentjovenel moise and his government tried their utmost to actually fight the gangs in all those areas. but they. what you need to understand is that those gangs has political ramifications. oh, i understand that. yeah, they do. they do have political ramification. whenever someone wants to bargain or get something from jovenel moise, you see kidnappings everywhere.
and then they kill him physically. so i m aware of those things, but i do know that that was part of the whole character assassination. but just answer the specific question. we have this gentleman, jimmy cherizier. there was no link whatsoever. ..known as barbecue. now, the man is known. he says he s not a gang leader. he leads a, quote unquote, armed group. it s called the g9 family. he has been accused of involvement in killings, kidnappings. he denies those specific allegations. mm hm. but there is an accusation that president moise, at the time you were serving in government as foreign minister, was actively supporting, allowing the activities of this man barbecue, cherizier. i can tell you it s not true. i know that he used to march against presidentjovenel moise. so i m telling you that it s part of the whole
he says he s not a gang leader. he leads a, quote unquote, armed group. it s called the g9 family. he has been accused of involvement in killings, kidnappings. he denies those specific allegations. mm hm. but there is an accusation that president moise, at the time you were serving in government as foreign minister, was actively supporting, allowing the activities of this man barbecue, cherizier. i can tell you it s not true. i know that he used to march against presidentjovenel moise. so i m telling you that it s part of the whole character assassination. and they succeeded. because what they did first is to, you know, assassinate his character, so to make it vulnerable, and then physically kill him. but. so i should say they succeeded. you keep talking of character assassination. i look at the record. again, when you were in