in a concrete way of denuclearization. sandra: you pointed out the policy differences that start to emerge between rex tillerson and the president. there was also a moment last year where rex tillerson reportedly called the president a choice word and rex tillerson doesn t exactly deny that. that was certainly a moment where everyone started to question the relationship of the secretary of state and this president. don t forget that s about the same time too the stories were coming out and the stories were float floated by folks in the white house and he was long for the job and we were told he d make a statement about nothing in particular. then asked if he called the president that and there was no comment. i think it s safe to assume that he did.