aboutism and the false equivalency isn t going to work. we re not going to let him do it. what we saw, for example, over the weekend. we saw a headline pop that when rudy giuliani was in ukraine trying to fabricate, create this dirt on joe biden, he was also almost simultaneously trying to make a buck off ukranian gas contracts. who was surprised by that? i know we re shocked to learn there is gambling going to in this establishment. so look, we are not going to let them turn the conversation away from the corruption and malfeasance that is impacting daily voters lives. we re going to be very tough about that, but simultaneously, we re going to remind people why donald trump is doing this, and it s because he fears joe biden. there is one democrat in this race he doesn t to want have to face at the ballot box. we re not going to let him be successful at playing this game. there are reportedly democrats that are concerned that it s been too long, that the campaign waited too long to
here? call the president. you see there s a gap of about four and a half hours that he spoke with the president, i m told, and that the president emphatically told him there was no quid pro quo which kind of explains the timeline and also the lawyerly response to taylor s text. i should also noete the wall street journal has reported this as well, so it lets you understand a little bit about what was going on in sondland s mind. he was somebody who wanted to get aid to ukraine, and here he is a political appointee hearing this from a professional diplomat, and he s saying, what, really? then he decided, i m going to call the president for myself. and that was the answer he got. what do you think about this, dana? so many things. first of all, just chain of command. the fact the ambassador to the eu, it sounds like a shoulder shrug maybe at first blush that he would just pick up the phone and call the president. but that s normally not how it
what it was president trump had said to the ukranian president. those were the same lawyers that later ordered that transcript to be moved where they re typically kept to that highly sensitive server where transcripts were not typically kept in the past. it also included those aware of what the president said on the call, asking if they needed to alert the justice department since the president had brought up the attorney general who was not on the call so much. really, this backs up the whistleblower s complaint and exactly what the whistleblower was detailing in there. and, pamela, this is something they thought they could keep in the executive branch. yaureah, that s right. sources tell me this was tightly contained within the white house counsel s office and the nfc. the initial concerns over the phone call, the administration lawyer who reached out to the white house counsel lawyer about that initial disclosure that
so we have some new breaking news right now. we have new details on president trump s july 25th ukraine phone call. sources are telling cnn that in the immediate aftermath of the call, there was a major scramble by national security aides to address potential issues created by this conversation. we have pamela brown following these developments, we have kaitlan collins with us again from the white house. kaitlan, what exactly are we learning here? we re learning just what a scramble this was, brianna, all of this from the minute the president of ukraine hung up from that phone call in july that is the center of all of this. sources are telling cnn that at least one security council official alerting national security council lawyers about the concern being raised about
earlier this year he had said he was going to pull out all u.s. troops from syria, then other cooler heads prevailed and that plan was shelved for the time being. now it appears he s giving the turkish president carte blanche to carry out what could be a bloodbath. remember, brianna, it s the kurdish army that s been fighting isis, fighting and dying by the thousands. this is a huge sacrifice the kurdish forces have made. they re also confused. because today apparently president trump putting out new tweets saying we re not abandoning the kurds, we do support them, and warning president erdogan if turkey lashes out in too tough a way that the u.s. will destroy turkey s economy. a lot of people here asking a lot of questions, and as you