project in russia. yes, which makes it a serious crime under the criminal code as a crime. i also think there s a very strong argument to be made that this is a high crime or misdemeanor for which impeachment may be a possibility. you know, it lines up with what robert mueller wrote in the sentencing memo for michael cohen. it talked in there about how he had circulated his proposed testimony before congress with others. it did not disclose who those others might be, but when you think about others who ve testified before congress like donald trump junior, and now if he was taking directions from president trump, himself, this new reporting is consistent with that statement in the sentencing memo. emily jane fox, you are an expert on the trump family and their fitnesses. as ari melber pointed out to me earlier today with all these people denying they knew something else, someone else may have been involved in, this is not general motors. this is not a company with tens of thousands
seediness, and the ugliness and the dirtinesses of what was going on leading up to this election. ton ait s an incredible piece of reporting by the wall street journal and comical it happened in the office of the man that would come president of the united states at $12,000, $13,000 cash payment in a blue plastic walmart bag. you don t hear about that every day. i talked to rudy giuliani about it earlier today, he said, look, the president had nothing to do with that payment, did not direct that payment and if has authorized that payment, he would want it made by check, not by cash. that s the word from the president s legal team. who knows who s telling the truth here. there is one interesting detail which is that cohen only paid that digital consultant, that i.t. consultant, the $12,000 to $13,000 even though the consultant was expecting to be paid $50,000. cohen later after the fact according to the journal s reporting received a reimbursement from the trump
news. president trump directed his attorney to lie to congress about the moscow tower project. quoting again from the report, the special counsel s office learned about trump s directive for cohen to lie to congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the trump organization and internal company e-mails, text messages and a cache of other documents. cohen then acknowledged those instructions during his interviews with that office. a little reaction to this breaking story tonight. our colleague, chris hayes, tweets, nixon was literally impeached for this. our panel is still with us. phil rucker, barbara mcquade and emily jane fox. barbara, let me just talk to you about the degree to which what my colleague, stephanie rule who my colleague, stephanie ruhle, calls donald trump s tv lawyer, rudy giuliani, employing strategy or a misinformation technique or a pr campaign? because for all of the stuff that you so clearly described to us as being legal violations, rudy giuli
lot about, suborn perjury, what does it mean? so there are two kinds of crimes when people make lies. one is false statements which does not require that the person be under oath. perjury does require that the person be under oath, but, you know, they both have the same penalties, so either way. but to suborn perjury means to encourage or persuade another person to lie on your behalf. so it is a crime, it s a separate statute that makes it a crime to encourage someone to lie, in an official proceeding. so a session of congress would absolutely qualify as an official proceeding under that statute. all right. i was setting you up here because we have a tweet from adam schiff who s the chair now of the house intel committee who said the allegation that the president of the united states may have suborn perjury before our committee in an effort to curtail the investigation and cover up his business dealings with russia is among the most serious to date. we will do what s necessary to
congress. president donald trump directed h his longtime attorney michael cohen to lie to congress about negotiations to build a trump tower in moscow. according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter. trump also support add plan set