apparently. president zelenskyy saying there are children under the rubble. british prime minister boris johnson just tweeting out this. quote, there are few things more depraved than targeting the vulnerable and defenseless adding the uk is exploring more support for ukraine to defend against air strikes and we will hold putin to account for his terrible crimes. how to do that, though, remains a big, big question. joining me now is democratic congressman mike quigley who serves on the intelligence committee, co-chairman of the congressional ukraine caucus. thank you for being here. these images coming in throughout the hour of what ukrainians say is the bombing of a maternity hospital in mariupol, utter devastation. looking at this, what do you say? can we stop talking about ukraine as not being a member of nato? can we stop prefacing everything we say about our reaction to this as if they re not a member of nato?