have anything to do with the trump campaign or with russia collusion, it has to do with paul nmanafort s misdeeds years before the campaign but has opened up the prospect that rick gates, who was the key witness against paul nmanafort, that hi testimony was given also giving testimony to the special counsel for something against president trump and that a con vings against paul manafort will be used to squeeze manafort for his cooperation against the president. i think we re seeing a long term strat egy strategy, sort of widening of the appertour here. what was public about the conversation, at least the special counsel used this as a building block, not just a case about paul manafort s precampaign bad deeds. we ll see what happens when we get there. also we see how wrong they can be when they are saying this