to the big four, but also to the circas and the gas s. what he meant was not to blame those consulting companies, but when the state no longer invests within its own brain, it doesn t do too well. and the nasa folks knew that. i mean, this is why i look at apollo, cos there s so many interesting parallels. there was the head of procurement, ernest brackett. let me just tell this story cos i find it fascinating. he said, we won t know how to work with the private sector. we will get captured by bro sherman s ship, they didn t have powerpoints at the time, if we stop investing in our own capabilities. i take your point that with you, it s not binary, it s not either the state or the private sector, there has to be a sort of symbiosis of the two. but in the end, you do take a view as to who s providing the lead here. you talk about i mean, it s a word i don t like, but you do use it, directionality . and you say government needs to provide this sense of direction. you say that happ
of fraudulent claims made by businesses seeking relief. and money was given away. yeah, and the best quote or i like this quote because it really goes to the centre of the problem lord agnew, a tory lord, in the middle of the pandemic, i think it was a year ago, said that the uk state, the british state, was weak. why? because it had become infantilized due to all this over outsourcing that it s done to, for example, consulting companies, to the big four, but also to the circas and the gas s. what he meant was not to blame those consulting companies, but when the state no longer invests within its own brain, it doesn t do too well. and the nasa folks knew that. i mean, this is why i look at apollo, cos there s so many. yeah, but. ..interesting parallels. there was the head of procurement, ernest brackett. let me just tell this story cos i find it fascinating. he said, we won t know how to work with the private sector. we will get captured by bro sherman s ship, they didn t have p
yeah, and the best quote or i like this quote because it really goes to the centre of the problem lord agnew, a tory lord, in the middle of the pandemic, i think it was a year ago, said that the uk state, the british state, was weak. why? because it had become infantilized due to all this over outsourcing that it s done to, for example, consulting companies, to the big four, but also to the circas and the gas s. what he meant was not to blame those consulting companies, but when the state no longer invests within its own brain, it doesn t do too well. and the nasa folks knew that. i mean, this is why i look at apollo, cos there s so many interesting parallels. there was the head of procurement, ernest brackett. let me just tell this story cos i find it fascinating. he said, we won t know how to work with the private sector. we will get captured by bro sherman s ship, they didn t have powerpoints at the time, if we stop investing in our