Zac, lord goldsmith, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you for having me. Its a pleasure to have you here. Just a couple of months ago, you left rishi sunak s government and, as you left, you lobbed a political grenade in his direction. Why did you do that . My concern is that, you know, im maybe a rare thing, a minister who cares passionately, or cared passionately about my portfolio. And ifound myjob was becoming untenable, it was becoming impossible for me to go forward. It was becoming virtually impossible to prevent government from sliding back. And the key issue is this pledge which was made by borisjohnson, repeated by liz truss, repeated a few times by rishi sunak around International Climate finance, from which so much of what the uk has done over the last few years flows, and that pledge was being broken. You say, because it was a pledge of something over. £11. 6 billion over five years. Over five years to be invested in International Climate change programmes and efforts. Yes. You
and we can listen to one or two siren voices in the conservative party and decide to pour public money into propping up a system that s going obsolete, but if we do that, we ll be left behind and other countries will win that competition. it patently is more than a few siren voices, because we ve discussed what rishi sunak is actually doing, and some of the stuff he s doing, you do not like, that s quite clear. but that s why i made the distinction between policy and language. the problem, and i notice this as a minister, is that the language matters as well. so, even while in many respects, the policy is not going to change we ll get a bit of whistle blowing by the prime minister, but the policies aren t really going to. yeah, but hang on. ..but the message is having a big impact in government, it s rippling through the civil service. we re almost out of time and it s been a fascinating debate. i just want to know how you are going to try and leverage influence now that you ve left
the market is hurtling in this direction. that s where the jobs are, the opportunities are. and we can listen to one or two siren voices in the conservative party and decide to pour public money into propping up a system that s going obsolete, but if we do that, we ll be left behind and other countries will win that competition. it patently is more than a few siren voices, because we ve discussed what rishi sunak is actually doing, and some of the stuff he s doing, you do not like, that s quite clear. but that s why i made the distinction between policy and language. the problem, and i notice this as a minister, is that the language matters as well. so, even while in many respects, the policy is not going to change we ll get a bit of whistle blowing by the prime minister, but the policies aren t really going to. yeah, but hang on. ..but the message is having a big impact in government, it s rippling through the civil service. we re almost out of time and it s been a fascinating debat
that s where the jobs are, the opportunities are. and we can listen to one or two siren voices in the conservative party and decide to pour public money into propping up a system that s going obsolete, but if we do that, we ll be left behind and other countries will win that competition. it patently is more than a few siren voices, because we ve discussed what rishi sunak is actually doing, and some of the stuff he s doing, you do not like, that s quite clear. but that s why i made the distinction between policy and language. the problem, and i noticed this as a minister, is that the language matters as well. so even while in many respects, the policy is not going to change we ll get a bit of whistle blowing by the prime minister, but the policies aren t really going to. yeah, but hang on. ..but the message is having a big impact in government, it s rippling through the civil service. we re almost out of time and it s been a fascinating debate. i just want to know how you are going t
was it last year, the year before last, in renewable energy than in fossil fuels. the market is hurtling in this direction. that s where the jobs are, the opportunities are. and we can listen to one or two siren voices in the conservative party and decide to pour public money into propping up a system that s going obsolete, but if we do that, we ll be left behind and other countries will win that competition. it patently is more than a few siren voices, because we ve discussed what rishi sunak is actually doing, and some of the stuff he s doing, you do not like, that s quite clear. but that s why i made the distinction between policy and language. the problem, and i notice this as a minister, is that the language matters as well. so, even while in many respects, the policy is not going to change, we ll get a bit of whistle blowing by the prime minister, but the policies aren t really going to. ..but the message is having a big impact in government, it s rippling through the civil servi