to know to what extent i the greater kremlin - the tight circle around putin actually believes thisl orwellian propaganda that they are putting out. 0rto or to what extent. what are we talking about? a couple of dozen, 100? i would say more of a region of a couple i would say more of a region of a couple of i would say more of a region of a couple of dozen, i would say more of a region of a couple of dozen, but - i would say more of a region of a couple of dozen, but it- i would say more of a region of a couple of dozen, but it is- i would say more of a region of a couple of dozen, but it is in. a couple of dozen, but it is in flux, a couple of dozen, but it is in flux, right? it is shrinking. i always used to think. of putin s powers resting on a three stool. you could still say you have the oligarchs, the money men, the technocrats, people like the foreign - minister who basically can be a politician to make the system and put essentially do - what they while getting q
orwellian propaganda that they are putting out. or to what extent. what sort of numbers are we talking about? is it sort of a couple of dozen, 100? i would say more in the region of a couple of dozen. - i mean, this is in flux. but it s shrinking, right? so, i always used to think of putin s powers restingl on a three legged stool. so you had the oligarchs, - the money men, the technocrats people like sergey lavrov, who are basically career - politicians, make the system run but essentially do - what they are told i while getting quite rich at the same time and then, there were the siloviki - the strong men, right? the people from the security apparatus and all of that. - and i always thought of putin s power resting on those three l legs, but i think what we have| come to realise in the last two weeks, 2.5 weeks is that. the influence of those two first groups the oligarchs and the apparatchiks, - has lessened. and the influence of the strongmen is much stronger. so, real
while getting quite rich at the same time and then, there were the siloviki - the strong men, right? the people from the security apparatus and all of that. - and i always thought of putin s power resting on those three l legs, but i think what we have| come to realise in the last two weeks, 2.5 weeks is that. the influence of those two first groups the oligarchs and the apparatchiks, - has lessened. and the influence of the strongmen is much stronger. so, really, the key question is what are they thinking? l right. and i don t know what you i think, vera, but i don t think anyone really knows. vera. first of all, i would like to say that the state, the regime created years ago in 2014 they created non existent world for the audience, for russian viewers and then believed in this non existent world. i think they started believing of their own propaganda
the people from the security apparatus and all of - that. i thought of this power resting on two legs. i but what we have come - to realise the last two weeks is that the influence of those two first groups, the - oligarchs and the influence - of the strongman is much stronger. really, the key questioni is what are they thinking and i don t know what you think but l i don t think anyone really knows. i first of all, i would like to say that the that the state, the regime created, years ago, in 2014, they created not an existing world for the audience, for russian viewers and then believed in this nonexistent world. i think they started believing their own propaganda, that is what happened. otherwise you cannot explain to anyone this invasion. it is the first thing.
white dude on the road. how does he overcome the fact that he himself is a, quote unquote, white dude. he s talked about the grip of power resting within might men in politics. how does he get over that? he can t overcome being a white man. i asked him direct. maybe that s your biggest problem that you re a white man in a party that is not seeking that. he said i understand that. the best i can do is i want to make my team to represent the country, to be diverse. he recognizes that the current without is not representative of the country and he would try to change that in terms of his team. so that s the best he can do, i