Leaders and some feminists too. Is this a debate in which both sides are driven by fear . Judith butler, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you. Im glad to be here. Well, its a pleasure to have you here. You have a long academic career. Youve written some very well known books on gender theory. I just wonder, in your view, whether this debate about gender has fundamentally changed 7 has the climate around it really changed . Yes, i think it has. I think at the beginning of gender studies, a very important field within feminism, In The Beginning of queer theory, we talked about gender in different ways. We talked about the Gender Division Of Labour or gender differentials when were discussing literacy or education how many men or women are getting certain benefits. It was an important way of thinking about a powerful social structure in society, mainly with the idea of trying to achieve greater equality or trying to understand why hierarchies exist and what we might do to get over them. But the
Is this a debate in which both sides are driven by fear . Judith butler, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you. Im glad to be here. Well, its a pleasure to have you here. You have a long academic career. Youve written some very well known books on gender theory. I just wonder, in your view, whether this debate about gender has fundamentally changed . Has the climate around it really changed . Yes, i think it has. I think at the beginning of gender studies, a very important field within feminism, In The Beginning of queer theory, we talked about gender in different ways. We talked about the Gender Division Of Labour or gender differentials when were discussing literacy or education how many men or women are getting certain benefits. It was an important way of thinking about a powerful social structure in society, mainly with the idea of trying to achieve greater equality or trying to understand why hierarchies exist and what we might do to get over them. But there was also Gender Identity, whi
foot wrong, when trying to describe anyone on the lgbt they will be called out, perhaps crushed and killed. that s the problem. that s why i call this sort of thing a religion. we re dealing on saturday night live from years ago. for example, some people might need some time, we always write about this, under this new regime, the idea is that meeting some time, because it s not about battling power differentials. needing some time, is wrong. it s that you are against a certain kind of person, and you need to be shouted down with recreational mockingly. that s not right. that s not the way society should be run. what we re seeing, it allows this book is about, is a certain kind of person, who wields a certain kind of power
is that needing some time, because it is not about battling power differentials in the here and now. needing time is wrong. it is you are against a certain time of person and you need to be shouted down with recreational mocking glee. that is not right. that is not the way that a society should be run. what a lot of the book is about, there is a certain kind of person that wields a certain kind of power in that way, really thinking they are doing the world good. i don t think they are evil. they are not powermongers. they think they found the solution to everything. it must feel good. but what they do, if you don t agree with them they call you a racist on social media. that feels like being called a pedophile to most of us because of the progress made on racism and racial attitudes and my thumbnail guest it is 9 out of 10. most people watch these people
being is founded upon original sin. i question that, especially because if you re going to have this religion where everything is about showing that you know racism exists, then one problem is you ve shown that you know it exists, but have you actually helped anybody who is being hurt by racism? and often you re not. and then more to the point, if you re going to teach people that everything is going to be about racism and power differentials, then, one, you re ignoring most of what life is. and, two, this is the thing. woke racism is a pro-black book. people won t know this, but i m protecting black america from the idea that to be a black person is to be mainly about what white people did or didn t do and what they think of you and what they might not think of you and what s in between. no. what being black should be about is what you like to do and what