charged dozens and dozens of schemes. to make this case simple and focused and the jury can grasp and can resolve in a reasonable period of time. to follow on that, there s three charges that have been floated in a broad sense in this target later from jack smith to donald trump. and i d love to get your thoughts on the one that seems most mysterious to me, the deprivation of rights charge. what do you think that could be, barb? and what do you think that that what does that signal in terms of trump s potential wrongdoing and liability? i think that s one surprising all of us. the other two have been sticking around for a long time, but this is a charge that has been used historically when people have been deprived of their right to vote. the statute is one that was passed post-civil war and targeted ku klux klan members who were depriving people of their right to vote. so it could be a theory that by
for what happened there. at the end of the day with all the money and all the security that we have around the white house, something like this should never happen. we are concerned about the fact that the president s son that we have said for seven months now is a risk to our national security. he is spending so much time in the white house. we have reports of him spending more time they are then joe biden. we don t know where hunter biden lives unless he is living in the white house. that is a concern. you go back to the laptop that they want to deny. the people that he associated himself with for a four year time period are very questionable characters. many of them are incarcerated. many are in court that are currently going through many trials of potential wrongdoing. and of course drug use. there are pictures. they took pictures of himself smoking crack while he was driving.
knows that he can t, as you to use your words, magically declassify, how much does that play into the doj s case? well, a lot, because, i think a key ingredient in determining the intent with which a person acts is consciousness of guilt. and if a person acts with consciousness of their own guilt or consciousness of their own potential wrongdoing, that demonstrates that if they go forward, nonetheless, there s intent. and you know, my understanding is that there were hundreds of documents taken, many of them were classified, some of them were top-secret. and yet, they were deliberately withheld. and if the prosecutor, jack smith, has information to that effect, that s very serious business. i want to ask about something that you re dealing with on the oversight committee. republican chairman, who you work with, of course, james comer, says he will hold the fbi director, chris wray in contempt over an fbi document containing an unsubstantiated bribery
grand jury. but these charges are very serious. i mean, the allegations that he took all of these documents including top secret documents and then didn t return them and deliberately withheld them are very serious. i don t think any president has ever been accused of doing anything like that before. and quickly, how much does the fact that he clearly in this tape suggest that he knows that he can t as to use your words, could not de classify. how much does that play into the doj case? witell, a lot. there is the consciousness of guilt and if a person acts with consciousness of their own guilt or a consciousness of their own potential wrongdoing, that demonstrates that if they go forward, nonetheless, there is in tent. and and my understanding is that there were hundreds of documents
though a majority of america con s actually, we found do think that all of the investigations that are looking into the former president s potential wrongdoing whether it s the one that manhattan the manhattan d a is investigating or the special counsel investigations are fair. so pence right now is trying to show that he s putting up a fight and that he won t be just willingly going in to speak to the grand jury, because if he does, the republican base is not going to be happy about that. and at the center of this potential pence testimony is a heated phone call that pence had with trump on the day of that insurrection, while pence was at the capitol. let s take a quick look. but at some point it started off. as a calmer tone and everything and then became heated. the conversation was was pretty heated. so as i was dropping off the note, um i my memory. i remember hearing the word wimp either. he called him a wimp. i don t remember if he said you are a wimp. you ll be a womp womp is t