katelyn polantz joins me now. what do we know about the substance of these conversations and what position trump and his lawyers are taking? well, jim, what we really know here is this is for first time we re able to confirm that they re talking. the justice department and donald trump s defense team. and the reason that this is happening, this is coming in amid all of this grand jury activity that we re seeing in this criminal investigation being run out of d.c. in that grand jury activity we know there are some top witnesses from the trump white house and from vice president mike pence s office who have either been into the grand jury to testify or subpoenaed to come in and testify. that s two people from the vice president s office and then the two pats from the white house office, cipollone and philbin. when they come in to testify, they share what they know, but we know they re not able to share everything that they witnessed. specifically things that trump would have said or ma
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