included in there. largely from democratic lawmakers who wrote to the state department concerned about this. and we learned that there is an effort made by giuliani s assistant to try to get giuliani and secretary of state pompeo in touch. and she went through the white house and the president at the time, his personal assistant to try to make that happen. there are emails that piece that together, and it resulted in a phone call in march between giuliani and pompeo. now, what we don t know is what pompeo said about this, did about it. what his views were. we just have this trail of documents, phone records and letters from lawmakers that connect it all together in the time period of the spring of this year that shows how much giuliani was trying to get pompeo onboard. what we know is he wanted the investigation of the bidens. we know he believed that marie yovanovitch was somehow attached to biden, supportive of biden. she, of course, testified she was not partisan, she had only
may imp pllicate giuliani in a smear campaign? right. generally believed, kendis, giuliani has been involved, was involved, in fact a key participant in that campaign. we heard from witnesses in the past week in the congressional hearings that that s exactly the case. and what s interesting, i guess, about the new revelations is the extent to which secretary pompeo may have been involved or at least knew about it. ip think this makes perfect sense. right? because it s hard top imagine that giuliani could pull off removal of an ambassador without the secretary of state at least knowing tab if not acquiescing in it or participating in the effort. so details of these documents will be interesting. i think so far they seem to confirm that which has been obvious to most of us waging this. greg, you get the sense if giuliani was acting on the behest of the president, whether this would weigh in to the writing of anymore articles of impeachment? anymore, i don t know, kendis. remains to
very much wanting to point at the white house and say that, according his claim is that the white house put some kind of lock, some kind of twitter jail on top of his personal account when he left government service on september 10th, and had refused to unlock it. even though it was his personal account. until earlier this week when, after going through twitter rather than going through the white house he regained use of his account. of course, the big, the larger question is, what will he say on twitter or in other venues about his time in the white house, and very specifically, what will he say about what he knows of the ukraine matter, which all unfolded while he was still in office. yeah. one of those other venues being congress.
attorney. let s grow to the white house right now to get us started on all this. kelly o donnell is there for us. kelly what do we know about what the report says about pompeo and giuliani? reporter: kendis, this comes about because of a freedom of information suit by a group that was able to get this 100 pages of documents out of the statement department. remember, of course, the state department has not been providing things to the impeachment inquiry. it gives a window we haven t seen before. within these documents are included rudy giuliani, the president s personal lawyer, his own investigative file, when it comes to ukraine and the bidens. numerous references to joe and hunter biden. so the documents that giuliani wanted secretary of state pompeo to have are included. in addition, there are pages are letters of support for the u.s. ambassador at the time to ukraine, marie yovanovitch, one of the witnesses we saw testify in public about the smear campaign against her. so there a
i mean, the documents you just mentioned with kelly are incredibly important and raises additional questions. why, for instance, is mike pompeo taking cues about an ambassador from a private citizen, rudy giuliani? we know pompeo hasn t been particularly candid in all this, was on the july 25th call. certainly never disclosed it and as we learned this past week gordon sondland said he kept pompeo in the loop on all of this. we know there are additional documents, additional witnesses that could be interviewed sthe question is whether it s worth the delay at this point in seeking it to go down that road. we know some of the close advisers like pompeo, bolton, will litigate not having to testify before congress. a lot of people wondering whether we ll see additional questioning. does that solely depend on what happens with additional subpoenas? i think that s exactly right. thises white house has been engaged in an obstruction strategy, and they know full well they could litigate thi