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a debate coming up. john: begin with the supreme court hearing arguments today on what could be one of the most consequential rulings for higher education in decades. hello, john roberts in washington and hello to you this afternoon. gillian: good to be with you, john, on this spooky halloween. john: good to be with you as well. gillian: i m gillian turner. whether to end affirmative action policies in a pair of cases. john: opponents argue the criteria has harmed millions of students, particularly asian-americans. david spunt starts us off live outside the supreme court. did justice brown jackson recuse herself. that s right, because of her position on the harvard board of overseers, and her connections to harvard university. she thought it was best she sits out. there are two separate cases, overall affirmative action affects millions of students across the country and the justices began hearing two arguments three hours ago. started with the case out of the uni

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