been covering the story from the second it happen and the failed response to the shooting. shimon, how on earth in this day and age wouldn t you have a active shooter policy? right. it is a great question right? when you think about the fact that, as you say, this is something that kids, kids practice. kids are aware of it, something that kids have to go through. today we learned not only was there no active shooter policy with the uvalde county sheriff, but actually the shooter himself has not gone through active shooter training. it is something that is not required by law but it is certainly something that you would think, leaving law enforcement officials so they can make the right decisions when the time comes. we are learning all of this because of this report that was commissioned by the uvalde county officials. they wanted to look at the practices, not at what when wrong that day, this is not a report looking out where the failures were and who screwed up back on may 24th,
it was about the practices and the policies of the uvalde county sheriff. so that is where this report comes from. that is how we learned this information. today we spoke to the man who did this report, the expert, the police expert. take a listen to what he said. there was no active shooter policy. there were only definitions that did define what active shooters were and there were forces that dealt with critical incidences and how officers would respond to that but there was no active shooter policy. certainly, this took a lot of people by surprise.. it took family members by surprise. the fact that there was no policy. the deputies for the most part have gone through the training. there are several that have it, but obviously having this policy was something needed to do and based on the information we have been able to gather
and we know there was no training? i m asking shimon. shimon just told us, the deputies went south through some kind of active trainer shooting. the state of texas has an active shooter policy. the state of texas has active shooter training standards. but i think the policy piece is where we keep getting stuck, because when everybody got their, the school police, the town police, the county sheriff, the detective of the texas department of public safety, why was there not a protocol where everybody knows this is how we know who s in command? and that is probably what a clear policy would have brought. john, you and i and shimon and all of us have covered more of the school shooting than we ever could count. we were on the same planed out of uvalde the day it happened. that s right, i forgot. that i ve block some of this out because it was all that was a particularly look, they re all off will. but shimon has been there on and off since that day, on that plane. because of
at the information as to the identity of the shooter, another information, which he did not bring into the mix of the scene and he did not go to the active shooter scene. and he did not take command of it. and the incident command system which is the bible for incident control, who s inside commander? it is you. everybody knows that. then when you take over, everybody knows that you have assumed command. and uvalde, nobody was in charge. nobody actually knew who is running it. there was assumption that there was a school police chief who had a total police department like six officers which was in charge. which would ve been unreasonable, they re large instances there with more people. so, as we peel back the layers. we see more and more dysfunction in the kind of place that, probably, believed it would never happen here. which is the kind of place that keeps happening. on that point though, we talk about policy versus training. i think people need have a
just so tragic. what is your reaction, the fact that there is no active shooter policy, just essentially a handful of definitions? because i wonder, isn t the policy to save lives? i think the more important thing is, if there are active shooter training s. if there is active shooter training, this is what you the copy supposed to do when you get there, that is more important than the policy. on the other hand, the policy affects those up the chain from that police officer, which is what should the command and control the? what should the charge be? shimon s reporting in the story has shown the sheriff, and ask any sheriff in the country, they will tell you they re the highest law enforcement official in the county, was at the inactive crime scene, where the earlier shooting had been, not at the school scene, had the information as to the identity to the shooter and other information. which he did not bring into the mix at the scene. nor did he go to the active