these crowds, i don t know if doug has these images in front of him, but this some ways these in some ways these, as we heard from steve harrigan, the antifa and the sort of angry, violent black lives matter groups, it doesn t appear as if the police are trying to protect any protesters. it seems as though the protesters have now turned on the police x. you saw that guy out in front begin to taunt some of the police. and now there s this pushing and shoving between groups and police officers not over any other protesters. this is about the police, and you can see them now taking, beginning to take people into custody this. this is a very different police response than what we saw than charlottesville. leland: and also doug makes a good point, that this is a very different police response than what we saw in charlottesville. elizabeth: right. leland: there was not a lot of leash given to these protesters. the police made it very clear in charlottesville, they said if