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the two really played key here with police intuition and mother s intuition. i wasn t so much focused on him. i was more focused on them. steve: that officer now retired joins us now. good morning to you. good morning. steve: it s interesting. you look at what happened in cleveland, the dejesus family said we kind of had a feeling. what about the bus driver? take us back to that day when you saw philip garrido come in, he was asking for permission to do something on campus at uc-berkeley. you just had a feeling, there is something about this guy. absolutely. it was his behavior coupled with the fact that he had this long criminal history on parole for kidnapping and rape and he was a steve: but you didn t know that. i knew it when i finally met him. i didn t know it because lisa campbell mentioned she wanted me to sit on this meeting with her that this crazy guy was coming in and i didn t understand why a crazy person would be meeting with a civilian staff member instead

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