every statement from a white house source has to be caveated with occasionally some things were untrue. how do we know this is true. reporter: all we can do is present on the record statements with sarah sanders who was on the record who was up there in upper press which you know well. andm facizi andm emphasizing this. and she put her credibility behind it and take that as you will. and gary cohn is telling nbc on the record this did not have anything to do with the russia investigation and hope had been considering this for a while. so people are putting their names behind this. again you make the point that when there has been an admission in front of congressional investigators reportedly that you have told white lies, i think your point stands. but i do think that there is there has been from a strategic standpoint, the white house knew the questions were coming and pushing back on it almost instantly. which is not something we see