kind of point implicit in this, which is this narrative, the very simplistic narrative we tell ourselves, that it had to do with changing hearts and minds and this kind of evolving moral ethic and so on. but more often than not, this is about self-interest and political pragmatism. that s how we get that executive order 8802 in 1941. roval h roosevelt has other interests. this is how we get the march on washington and the kind of liberal concessions that people make, especially in the context of the cold war. we were just talking about this. but part of sit a requirement that we believe the press will report on it. so part of randolph s ability to get those concessions is the believe, don t embarrass us. because the press will report on it, right? and when they do, we ll have this both domestic and international effect. and i think it s really important to look at who organized the march on washington. you were just talking about phillip randolph.