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points, talking point gate, whatever we re talking that, it s as if john this budget battle could come out with john boehner being the huge winner in other words, we might have the john boehner budget in the end if he can get enough republicans to support him. bret: steve? republicans would say however they never got that offer there is talk about them getting that offer but the offer was never received. i think that s what the democrats are said to do. bret: nobody put it on paper. nobody put it on paper. that s right. i think the democrats want a shutdown for a couple of reasons. primarily, we ll have huge debates about bigger issues later and they think if they set the republicans up on coming debate on debt limit and the 2012 budget, by having a government shutdown now, they can use the small cuts which, you know, five or $10 billion, everybody agrees who wants to limit government that takes cut if you can get them. you re talking about $40 to $45 billion in the dis

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