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Transcripts for MSNBC Hallie Jackson Reports 20211122 20:54:00

all right. this is 1:21. you can see mr. car bury you can see how far back mr. brian is. and you can see mr. arbery going to the left momentarily. and way over here i promise not to touch the screen. this little fuzzy black thing here, this silhouette, is travis mcmichael. where on this video putting aside the fact that mr. brian is not going to have as good a view driving on a sunny day in his car, from this video alone, where is mr. travis mcmichael s shotgun? roddy brian can t see any weapon. he has no reason to know that these men are armed. and at this point, there is 20 seconds left in this video.

Transcripts for MSNBC Hallie Jackson Reports 20211122 20:51:00

this understands that sometimes you can t see the phone at all. but assuming that mr. brian has 20/20 vision, and assuming that he has every bit as good a view of his phone as you see here, where is travis mcmichael? i can t see travis mcmichael in this picture. really, honestly, i can t see gragg mcmichael in this picture. and i certainly can t see any guns. now, what s our post on this one? where is this? this is at 1:15 into a minute and 43 second video plchlt brian at this point has no reason to know that the individuals in that truck have guns. all right. let s okay. all right. you can still at this point, i think you can see that there is a shadow, a silhouette, of

Transcripts for MSNBC Hallie Jackson Reports 20211122 20:53:00

or so that he s been out there, that mr. arbery is going to go around the truck like he has gone around the trucks all the whole time to go around the trucks to satilla. go forward again. at 1:16, travis s silhouette should come into view. that s greg mcmichael. we are past that. okay. greg mcmichael in the back of the truck. we know he has a gun. i think at this point he s on the cell again to, but from mr. roddy brian s vantage point, looking through his phone as he s trying to drive on a sunny day in his truck, how can mr. brian know that greg mcmichael has gun or that he s drawn it? he can t. go ahead. go to 1:21, play it to 1:21.

Transcripts for MSNBC Hallie Jackson Reports 20211122 20:50:00

mr. bryan is traveling, as he testified, as an agent indicated in the reenacted video, he s traveling miles an hour, faster than mr. arbery. but clearly, if he was trying to hadn t him down, he would be going a lot faster. more to the point, at this point, as mr. brian comes around the dog log, what we are seeing here, i can t be sure whether this is the enhanced video or not but what we are seeing here in this courtroom w the artificial interior lighting is certainly a better view than mr. brian has actually looking through that phone with the glare and other stuff that s going to be in the car on a sunny day. anyone who has tried to look at pictures on their phone while they are driving on a day like

Transcripts for MSNBC Hallie Jackson Reports 20211122 20:52:00

what travis mcmichael of what s travis mcmichael, but mr. brian is in his vehicle. again, even if he has a perfect view of his phone, you can t see a weapon. you can t see anybody s armed. all right. we are going to go forward again. at 1:15. now, watch. you see mr. brian s phone is focused to the right of the truck. why? because mr. brian doesn t know mr. al benzy is down on jones at 220 satilla with his phone and his gun. the mcmichaels know, bus he is giving him a hand signal, mr. arbery knows because he is running out of the house. but roddy brian doesn t know that. he is thinking that mr. arbery, like he has for the last minute

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