cash, rudy giuliani knows when he s u.s. attorney, are either drug dealers or mobsters. reporter: listen carefully and judge for yourself. when it comes time for the financing, which will be what financing? we ll have to pay. pay with no, no, no reporter: at that point, the tape cuts out. but tonight, one thing is indisputable the president is furious his former fixer secretly recorded their conversation. what kind of lawyer would tape a client, he tweeted. so sad. the president clearly upset about this. pierre thomas joins us from washington. pierre, many people do not think their attorney is recording them. but the other major question in this story, donald trump s campaign spokeswoman at the time said the president did not know about the arrangement with karen mcdougal, but this recording has them talking about money, the owner of the national enquirer, among other things. reporter: david, there s a lot of debate about this tape, but it does appear th