to blame anyone in particular. you might credit him. his decision to stay in long after the issue was decided is one of the reasons trump became president. and so i think if you are desantis, a lot of this is going to be not just persuading voters but continue to be the clear number two it s persuading the others to get out when they aren t performing well. sandra: what do you see is the biggest winning issue for desantis on the debate stage if it will be a make or break moment? the covid history is important. as president, trump, he never liked the lockdowns. he soured on them early. but he never took the decisive action to say we re opening up and to fire people like anthony fauci. the problem is even when trump was saying i don t like these lockdowns, was discouraging it. he left in place fauci and other