trump supporters, i agree with you they re not just storming, you know, sheriff clarke had that notorious tweet of pitch forks and he reiterated that again tonight. to me, the issue is more the nominee of the party has a tremendous amount of power in terms of how much legitimacy they cede to the process. one of the things we ve learned in the obama era is if you just unilaterally withdraw and say, no, this is not legitimate, you have a huge effect on a large swath of the population because of how polarized our politics are. that s right. i think the really fascinating thing we ve learned from this trump versus paul ryan frack as, is that with apologies to chairman steele, the rank and file have chosen trump s side over paul ryan s side. that when forced to choose, when trump said paul ryan sucks, instead of saying, no, no, we like paul ryan. they say, yeah, trump, and they all turned on paul ryan. there was a poll that came out
bite to play of this, let s go ahead. i believe november 9th, if they say hillary clinton s won, there will be an up rest probably like we have never seen. and i think it will be deserved. reporter: would you participate in that? yes, sir, i will show up. and i will voice my voice in any way i feel god is wanting me to do. now don t get us wrong, we re not talking about burning buildings and stuff like that. it s a peaceful protest. but the thing is, we have a voice. america has a voice. and we want it heard. reporter: to be clear, i want to say that most trump supporters we talked to, they don t say they will actually be involved in any uprising, any taking up arms or pitch forks or anything like that, but they all sometimes get angry at the thought of hillary clinton becoming president. most of them do sincerely seem to believe that the polls are wrong, that there is an
pitch forks after them. we are going to take this over the top. my next guest was in the room during that pitch fork speech. jonathan alter is an msnbc political analyst and daily beast columnist. thanks for joining us. the echos are strong here. which one do you think is closest? is it bernie sanders or donald trump? that s what s fascinating from the left wing of the democratic party to the right wing of the republican party. they come together on this issue of trade. you saw that in 1996 and 1992 with pat buchanan way over on the right but made common cause with a lot of labor unions and more liberal democrats on that issue. at that time it was nafta. now it s the trans pacific partnership. we see trade as a big issue in our politics, not because it s sexy to talk about on television but because it really relates directly to jobs. people truly believe that jobs are at stake in these trade deals and it makes for a
was united states senator from virginia. he is also very much of a populist, especially on these economic issues, more conservative on the social issues like guns. too conservative for the democratic party, as we saw in that last debate. unclear if he runs as an independent whether he will take more white men from the republicans or lunch bucket union democrats from the democratic party. it will be very interesting if he decides to make that race. the pitch forks resonate. that poppism, especially since the great recession. that is a driving force in politics today. very strong force and something i think caught the political establishment by surprise. you now see hillary clinton retreating on trade. on 40 occasions she expressed support for this new trade deal, now saying she is against it as written. we have to wrap it up there. we ll keep an eye out for the pitch forks.
for her comment that we ve been talking about on this show and i have to say, we wound up in agreement with the judge, that they were problematic and inappropriate but not enough to recuse her. i love it. he was troubled by it. i love it. and then he requested her on her, well i was just trying to keep the peace of her comments. he said really is that jury jb wob to keep the peace or is it to prosecute cases. this guy gets it. i love it but i think it went in one way and out the other. she doesn t care what he thinks. what i think is extraordinary is that the judge, in spite of the fear and climate in that city people are running around with pitch forks and burning property down this judge in spite of that pressure followed the law and made the right rulings on all three of the motions. he placed under seal a couple of things a police dispatch tape and the redacted statements of the officers. as a member of media, i always want to see the stuff. but if i were the judge in t